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- As a parent, taxpayer and legal US citizen, my frustration with the "system" grows everyday. My efforts are to expose those who would seek to undermine our safety and our Rights.
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Of valigaTURD, you never did tel me about Huck and Grits.
I guess the peanut butter lost its magic without the hounds
Ahh the mind of a superfreak..ya meanto tell me you would post a "hit" against me under the title of a "Man gets 120 years for raping woman, forcing her to assault infant" ?? Only a true superfreak offender thinks in those terms Derek..
Besides arent you a little late with this story Derek?? I mean it's been posted for quite a while..kinda like your defense in front of the judge..always a day late and a dollar short right?
What did I do with that letter from Bill Schuette???
Derek Logue:
Due process is not violated when an out-of-state offender,(Derek Logue) already required to register for life in another state and automatically classified as a sexual predator in Ohio, is required to bear the burden of persuasion on the issue of recidivism when he or she petitions for reclassification under R.C. 2950.09(F)(2). Placing the burden of persuasion on the offender with respect to recidivism does not violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: There is a rational basis for such an allocation of the burden, when it is reasonable to assume that an out-of-state offender already required to register for life as a sex offender "poses a danger to the public", and when Ohio has a legitimate interest in protecting its citizens from "likely recidivists."
Ms Val, do you think all "sex offenders " are child rapist? Or do you acknowledge that some offenders accidently or unknowingly download child pornography, im talking a few, not dozens or hundreds or thousands, and pose little or no risk? Or that carnal knowledge, "romeo/juliet type" offenders are not a risk to the public? Do you think the registry should be only for people who committed, or attempted to commit a crime involving contact or inappropriate exhibition of genitalia? Just tryin to figure out where you stand. Thanks for any insight. Good day. Forgive me for remaining anonymous for now.
You obviously havent taken the time to read any of this blog to ask these questions.
"No" I do not think that a person who is investigated, arrested, prosecuted and goes on to be found guilty "accidently" downloaded child pornography. Has it happened with muliple users on one pc ..maybe, but even then I doubt with a halfway decent attorney and thorough investigation it would be a negligible. But its the "usual" good defense by the perp to his family when it happens.
Those who download, traffic and trade in child pornography usually have two conclusions, (1) they escalate their behavor until they are caught and or (2) swear it was accidently downloaded either way it is not the "victimless" crime SO's and their advocates swear it is. I consider them parasites feeding off the innocence of children and they deserve harsher treatment than what they are recieving.
True Romeo's are not a risk and should be removed from the registry "yesterday" at no cost to the registrant.
Thats not a "noble" stance by itself. I am sick and tired of every mother, sister, girlfriend and sex offender "swearing" thats what they went down for. It muddy's the waters and the registry and the public would be better served by not including them. The date of the conviction tells the truth. Most states do not prosecute for that and havent for as much as 5 years now. Any RSO who has a conviction in Florida in the last couple of years who trys to pawn that story off is lying.
"Do you think the registry should be only for people who committed, or attempted to commit a crime involving contact or inappropriate exhibition of genitalia?
No! see my post on child porn. If strange Jerry next door makes a video of two or three children who he has "pursuaded" to engage in inappropiate behavor to "film" or sets a camera up in the girls bathroom at Target, I have as much disdain for him as if he put his hands on someone. I am not drawing that line in the sand. A freak is a freak. Any person who engages in any illegal or inappropiate behavor that is sexual in nature against a minor or violates the most personal privacies of another human being is a freak I dont want free to breed or breathe in my airspace.
addition to above post..The fact that it isn't possible to keep those who have committed such crimes incarcerated indefinitely indicates to me it is imperative that the general public is made aware thru(the registry) those persons that have shown their predisposition to commit these crimes. Forewarned is forearmed. If the "powers that be" want to determine what convictions should be considered for lessor registration requirements (length of time) after walking the straight and narrow with NO VIOLATIONS ..I would not be opposed to that. But those convictions should be determined by smarter people than myself.Preferably by those in the trenches that interact with offenders and are painfully aware of more accurate than (DOJ) recidivism rates.
Please be aware that I am the "ultimate cynic" when it comes to convicted sex offenders and the system (we pay) to oversee them. I have spent many years reading the horror stories on both sides of the issue. I take both sides and their perspectives with a "grain of salt" at this juncture. I have seen the victims with gut wrenching injuries committed by worthless definitions of what is suppose to be members of the human species, I have read atrocious stories of Probation Officers violating a person "for sport". Either extreme is due to a fallible system that needs fixing. I dont see that "fix in my lifetime" so I will lean more towards harsher punishments, longer sentences and more thorough oversite. Why? Because in this day and age any person who willfully engages in these crimes KNOWING what the repercussions can be, is not a person that claim anything was accidental, was over prosecuted and or unfairly targeted. The numbers despite what sex offenders yell from roof tops dont bear it out. Over 300 million people in these United States and its territories..730 thousand convicted sex offenders..I say we can more than afford keep these bugs under glass and away from a new crop of victims. We just arent doing it.
Ms. Val. I appreciate your honesty and agree with most of what you said. I will be honest I am an RSO. From 17-19 yrs old I downloaded 58000+ legal porn images from kazaa. A P2P sharing program. Yes thats thousands, I had a porn addiction. I thought it better than sleeping around. Among those 58,000, were 16 illegal images. They were not isolated or set aside. They were among the 58000. I did not view them. I had 32 illegal images that i had found and completely deleted from the computer. I never distributed any of the porn legal or not. Because I hadnt distributed and had deleted the 32 they only charged me with possession for the 16 still being on my computer. I was told its my computer and the images were on it so no matter what I was in possession. Am I a risk to any one? Like you I have read horrific stories of victims. The government erred and gave me files on the 16 images. I know the truth behind the pictures. The horrible truth. I have not been accused of or committed any subsequent offenses. I have a 2 year old girl, work hard to provide, Im productive. BTW the judge sentenced me to 8 months. No parole or probation following. I say this to show you I had no supervision and still have not messed up. So its probably gonna suck to read this answer but what is your assessment of me?
P.s. isnt life in prison acceptable because their is a risk the murderer will murder again? Why then cant a child rapist get life if he is determined to be a high risk of reoffending
You left out alot of important information for someone to "make an assessment of yourself.
My healthy male friends like porn as much as the next guy but they aren't going in front of a judge for it.
1) did the judge see the images or decline to view them?
2) How does a 17 year old kid get addicted to that much porn? Were you in school, did you graduate?
3) what were the family dynamics in the home? (if that was where you were viewing it)
4) How does a guy admit he had an addiction and leave out the dash between then and now having a child? Was the child accidental?
5) How old are you now?
6) If you still have a porn addiction and we are to believe your story, how do you know your not in violation with the images you are now viewing?
7) are you living with the mother of your child?
8) From my observations whether a person is on supervision or released from it rarely interferes with addictive behavior (they are just more intelligent about hiding it.
9) Did you get treatment for the addiction and if so? What did they determine were your triggers?
10) if you have "triggers" just who in your life is responsible for circumventing those triggers?
I am not your judge and jury kid but I have serious skepticism towards those who "accidentally" went down for this crime. Now I am going to assume you minimized your predicament, don't worry all RSO's do, but I have to tell ya, I have regular dinner parties with guys who take guys like You down. Its an expensive proposition for the state to do so. You made some one's radar and it wasn't for holding on to some obscure file you forgot to erase. Not making accusations just throwing out what they tell me. I appreciate you being polite and civil and only come back with information your comfortable sharing but I cant make an assessment off what you gave me..
Sorry what state did this happen, was it locals, the state or the feds? "makes a huge difference".
Not sure about the life in prison question. Murderers versus rapist?
3 doors down I have a guy who committed murder, did twenty plus years and was released long ago.
He is the best neighbor I have and that includes the ones without so much as a traffic ticket.
Murder is the least repeated crime for recidivism, the harsh sentence (at least what they use to get) puts a healthy fear in a person and rarely will they engage in a similar situation that would even remotely jeopardize their freedom.
Rapist are being turn stiled thru the system like candy given out at Halloween, you will see that change in the next 10 years. States are re-evaluating their budgets on incarceration and coming to the conclusion our dollars are better spent on warehousing these freaks than releasing them, but that change will come too slow for thousands of future victims, but hey its a win for the car thieves and possession of drugs inmates. Tier levels that designate a guy "most likely to re-offend" is the system throwing their hands in the air and telling the public they have to fend for themselves, and you wonder WHY these guys are being taken out by the public?? I was told by smarter people than myself a long time ago, "if your looking for justice? Don't look for it in the justice system"..I'll give Vals rule of Law on crime: Someone tried to get into my house three days ago while I was here..I dont panic, I am pretty methodical but you can bank on the fact calling the police, never entered My mind.
The judge viewed the images in private. I had graduated and joined the Navy. I was traveling alot so no time for a girlfriend. Porn just seamed to accomplish my needs. Sorry if thats graphic. Im 29 now and my little girl was planned. Yes her mommy lives with us. I do not look at porn at all anymore. I am frightened that the addiction may resurface and cause me similar problems. While serving my eight months i did a treatment program for the porn addiction. Similar to AA NA programs. I wasnt assessed but I think my trigger was a desire for secual pleasure. My fiance handles that so i guess thats how I circumvent viewing porn. I assure you I am not minimizing my crime although I agree a lot of RSOs do. I was on active duty and a roommate was flipping through porn on my computer. He ran accross one image and turned it over to the investigators. A forensic scan found the others. They had to do something....and I dont blame them. If everyone could say I didnt know then child pornography would run rampid. I do not think I shouldnt be on the registry. If someone is showing kids porn or abusing, kidnapped a kid etc, the cops should know to come talk to me, and other offenders first. Then they could eliminate more people quickly and find threculprot. I just think the registry should be better regulated. It should allow for RSOs to become productive. The less productive a person can be, the more likely for criminal enterprise, sexual or not. Your thoughts? And thank you for remaining civil in this conversation. I thought you were some horrible person but Im seeing some people try to push your buttons. I hope we can continue this civil dialogue. Perhaps we can learn quite a bit from one another. Also I got a good laugh regarding Vals rule of Law on Crime.....lol.....I can totally respect that
One thing you'll need to know from the get go is your relationship with your wife will be stressful on many levels. All relationships are. It sounds that you may need a therapist at arms length for those times (I have on this forum a blog on triggers) and examples of them. Were you dishonorably discharged from the Navy? I ask that only for health insurance you may need to help pay for that therapist. The problem with the majority of society they seek help "AFTER the damage is DONE" you seem to recognise the potential so I would strongly recommend you develop a relationship (doesn't have to be an every week thing) that is impartial and has expertise in this arena. Face it you basically admitted you were steadily getting laid and that in itself was circumventing the porn. What if she got sick, died or you divorced?
Pro-offender groups are enraged that Cops waste time on seeking out offenders to eliminate a circle of suspects, they rant on it all day?? Truth be told, and as much as I hate to admit it, Cops aren't stupid, well some are but there is definite protocol for eliminating suspects in a window of an initial investigation. Happy to see you think its prudent. The registry is fine tuning itself everyday. Remember the Romeos? That's where Pro-offender groups swear on their kids eyes that the majority of convicted sex offenders fall under that? In the registry's heyday when they were slamming everyone on 200+ registrants fell into that category. My point being, we're not prosecuting for that anymore. And True Romeos are coming off the registry everyday.
I am getting long winded but I am getting to a point. Remember above when I said "some" offenders should be able to petition off the registry at an earlier point than the mandatory state given length for registration? (Keeping in mind I have a strong no tolerance stance for these crimes) it may be that the state needs to define petition qualifications that can be broadened by a panel strictly set up to review these petitions.
Pro-offender groups are swimming upstream with their hands tied behind their back, the public wont tolerate the throwing the baby out with the bathwater so they go no-where fast, Like you said they just push buttons and piss everyone off. I am not being condescending but I haven't met a registrant yet that thinks they should be on the Registry. I keep telling these groups they are their own worst enemies, they don't know the definition of "baby steps" in legislation. They want it all and want it now and they don't care who they align with as long as they have RSO status..stay away from those groups kid, true change will come when the mothers, fathers, offenders and society in general all come to the table and unite in their efforts to "better regulate" the registry. Look forward to our next civil dialogue, Val
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